ZKast with Bob Laliberte

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0:05 uh welcome to c-cast everybody i'm zia

0:07 caraval from zk research and uh

0:09 i have a special co-host with me today

0:11 it's uh none other than

0:13 bob laliberte from esg now a tech target

0:16 company

0:17 uh bob why don't you tell everybody a

0:18 little bit about yourself

0:20 isaiah thanks for having me on yeah so

0:22 i'm senior analyst at the enterprise

0:24 strategy group and i've been focused on

0:26 covering the network space for a number

0:28 of years now

0:29 yeah you're uh one of the better network

0:30 analysts i like that you know i think

0:32 you're maybe the number two you know so

0:36 we won't say who number one is but bill

0:37 just left let people just uh you know

0:39 think that now

0:40 um uh i wanted to have you on because

0:43 this was a

0:44 big week in networking memorial day is

0:46 coming up and it seemed like all the

0:47 vendors rushed to get

0:48 you know product announcements out um

0:51 and uh it's good to see all the network

0:52 activity because

0:54 you know it's been my thesis for a long

0:55 time that the network is growing in

0:57 importance and

0:58 you know it's it's funny that uh i've

1:00 been an analyst 20 years and

1:02 ever since i've been an analyst i've

1:03 been caring about the commoditization of

1:05 the network

1:06 but if you look at all the innovation

1:07 that's been driven into it we're

1:08 certainly

1:09 you know i don't know how you look at

1:10 the market but we're far from being

1:11 commoditized

1:12 yeah absolutely i mean the fact that the

1:14 it pendulum is swinging back towards

1:16 distributed

1:18 only increases the importance of the

1:20 network and the connectivity between

1:22 you know users and apps apps and apps

1:24 users and users so

1:25 and as we've seen over the last year the

1:27 network has become a really critical

1:29 component

1:30 for organizations to ensure their

1:31 business operations on a daily basis

1:34 yeah certainly and that was certainly

1:36 well said and uh

1:37 you know one of the we had an event this

1:39 this week uh

1:40 a virtual event the extreme networks had

1:43 its

1:43 uh connected events with the connect

1:46 event with the tagline of advance

1:48 uh i thought it was a pretty good event

1:50 they condensed the keynotes and

1:51 stuff down to one hour you know thank

1:53 heavens because i think everyone's

1:55 getting a little tired of these long

1:56 events

1:56 um one of them and to support what you

1:59 were saying though with the importance

2:00 of the network they had brian shield on

2:01 who was the cio of the red sox

2:04 and he talked a lot about um the

2:06 digitization of baseball and how

2:09 because of the pandemic they had to

2:10 pivot the digital ticketing contact was

2:12 purchasing

2:13 uh you know things like that and so the

2:15 network all of a sudden became

2:17 really important and uh when you think

2:20 about what major league baseball's

2:21 trying to do

2:22 uh he even mentioned vr and ar and

2:24 things no network

2:26 means no fan experience right so i don't

2:28 know what what do you think away from

2:29 that

2:30 yeah i thought it was really interesting

2:31 and i thought it was great that they

2:32 were hosting it

2:33 at one of the oldest ballparks in the

2:35 country but yet

2:37 highlighting some of the most modern

2:38 technology right i think the first

2:40 sporting venue to implement a lot of

2:42 these contactless

2:44 technologies leveraging wi-fi was the

2:46 super bowl this year

2:48 and so it was really cool to see you

2:50 know fenway someplace near and dear to

2:52 me right very close to me to be able to

2:54 go there and have a contactless

2:55 experience and so having everything

2:57 digitized and the interesting part is

2:59 that i think it was really interesting

3:00 to hear him talk about it's

3:02 it's not just the things you'd normally

3:03 think about just like the ticketing but

3:05 also

3:05 enabling all of the concession stands to

3:08 be able to go

3:09 with that contactless you know

3:11 technology so you know they clearly took

3:13 advantage of the downtime they had in

3:15 the offseason

3:16 to revamp the infrastructure there and

3:18 to be able to roll that out to

3:19 accommodate

3:20 i think what will be going forward

3:22 clearly as things open up it's going to

3:23 be great more people will be going back

3:25 but it just provides a better fan

3:27 experience by being there and being

3:29 not having to deal with money deal with

3:31 anything deal with tickets all that kind

3:33 of stuff so

3:34 i think that's going to be a great

3:35 advance for all of the sports venues who

3:36 adopt this technology

3:38 and i think it's going to be interesting

3:40 to see how else

3:41 they can leverage that technology to

3:44 enhance the fan experience like you said

3:46 potentially ar vr type technologies

3:48 things like that that would be fantastic

3:50 yeah and uh as part of the event

3:52 actually nabil bukari their cto

3:55 came up with a new a kind of a vision

3:57 for the company which is important

3:59 because i think the extremes did a nice

4:00 job of rolling products together

4:02 but this is the first time i've really

4:03 heard them kind of throw a stake in the

4:04 ground right as far as

4:06 kind of where the industry is going he

4:07 talked about something they called

4:09 the infinite enterprise right he had

4:11 three tenets to that

4:13 um infinitely distributed connectivity

4:15 scalable cloud

4:16 and consumers eccentric experience and i

4:19 thought

4:20 given the state of work today the

4:22 infinite enterprise

4:23 does make some sense because frankly the

4:25 enterprise can extend

4:27 to anywhere today right and i i think

4:29 that's uh

4:30 i don't know do you have any thoughts on

4:31 what what they're calling the internet

4:33 uh yeah absolutely i mean i think at esg

4:37 we refer to

4:37 what we're seeing today is more of a we

4:39 refer to as the distributed cloud

4:41 so i know a lot of people like to talk

4:42 hybrid and multi but

4:44 we've seen you know applications are

4:46 being distributed across

4:47 private data centers multiple public

4:49 clouds and edge locations

4:51 and the employees are distributed across

4:53 you know literally wherever i know

4:55 just in in my town i've talked to two of

4:57 my friends who their kids

4:59 have built out a panel van and they're

5:02 driving around the country they're still

5:03 working but they're working from

5:04 wherever they happen to be that day

5:06 so that concept of infinitely

5:08 distributed connectivity really rings

5:10 home where

5:10 it's not just about connecting to the

5:12 home it's connecting to wherever they

5:14 may be

5:14 so i think that really resonates for

5:17 organizations that are dealing with this

5:18 really highly distributed environment

5:21 certainly from a cloud perspective

5:22 all of our research highlights that

5:24 aspect that during the pandemic

5:26 organization's accelerated

5:28 adoption of public cloud services and

5:30 use of in distributing their workloads

5:32 to the public cloud

5:33 and then obviously that consumer centric

5:36 experience that he discussed

5:38 is something that's really important the

5:40 interesting thing is that

5:42 when you're thinking about experience it

5:43 extends it used to everyone's talk about

5:45 customer experience

5:46 but you're hearing a lot more in the

5:47 last year about user and employee

5:50 experience and what they're having right

5:52 because they

5:53 not only from running the it environment

5:56 but also just what their employees are

5:58 experiencing whether they're at home

5:59 whether they return to the office or

6:01 whether they're in a van driving

6:02 somewhere around the country

6:04 that they have that consistent user and

6:06 a consistently good user experience

6:08 yeah and if you elon musk that

6:09 experience that extends out of space now

6:11 i guess

6:11 um correct yeah so one of the the new

6:14 products they announced actually uh and

6:16 every

6:16 you know user conference must have

6:18 product announcements right

6:20 was the was their co-pilot offering

6:22 which is part of their extreme cloud iq

6:24 um and it's an ai offspace platform

6:28 that's designed uh and i like the term

6:30 co-pilot because it's not designed to

6:32 replace the network engineer but in fact

6:34 to

6:35 work with the engineer to help them

6:37 troubleshoot things faster

6:39 and i don't know any network engineers

6:40 that like to troubleshoot so

6:42 i thought co-pilot was a pretty good

6:43 product uh nabeel actually said that

6:47 it had an sla i don't know if it wasn't

6:48 actually hard sla but he said it was

6:50 99 accurate which actually given the

6:53 state of

6:54 the early adoption of aiops and

6:56 networking today that seemed to be a

6:58 pretty big number to me

7:00 yeah i mean that's it well it's

7:01 interesting because they they also the

7:03 thing that i found really fascinating

7:04 about

7:05 the intelligence that they were building

7:06 into it is they actually

7:08 integrated the the worker the human

7:11 quite well with it so when you think

7:13 about a lot of times when we think about

7:15 aiml it follows that traditional

7:17 alert recommend and automate phase right

7:20 so first alert tell me something's wrong

7:21 and i'll go figure it out

7:22 then recommend to me what's wrong and

7:24 you know and eventually let me hit the

7:26 easy button and go forward

7:28 i thought some of the cool parts i saw

7:29 about co-pilot revolved around the area

7:32 that

7:32 they i think they refer to it as

7:34 explainable ai right so

7:36 they're trying to take the mystery it's

7:38 not a black box that just

7:39 runs off and does something and oh by

7:40 the way you might lose your job if it

7:42 does the wrong thing

7:43 but it tells you hey this is what we

7:45 think we should do and this is why

7:47 and oh by the way if you want you can

7:49 click here and connect into our

7:51 into our service center and talk to a

7:52 human and so forth so bringing that

7:54 human involvement into ai i think is

7:56 critical

7:56 for its adoption because ultimately all

7:59 of these

8:00 these administrators and the people

8:01 using it the engineers need to be

8:03 comfortable with it so i think what

8:04 they've tried to do is somewhat humanize

8:06 ai

8:07 and even to the point where hey you're

8:10 not sure what this is click here for a

8:11 video

8:12 right they're trying to really make it

8:14 as smooth and a seamless transition to

8:16 adopting that technology

8:18 that ultimately will save them a lot of

8:20 time and make them more operationally

8:21 efficient

8:22 but doing it in a very human way so i

8:25 thought that was a really nice touch

8:27 yeah and uh i i thought the other really

8:30 notable part of the keynote structure

8:32 too was the interview at the end

8:33 that norman reister ceo had with

8:35 charlotte college from broadcom

8:37 frankly charlie is a pretty big hitter

8:39 in this industry i was a little

8:40 surprised to see him on there but that

8:42 was you know great for extreme

8:44 and they did talk about how extreme was

8:46 part of the early access program

8:48 or broadcom and for extreme customers

8:50 that news itself is pretty significant

8:52 because now extreme gets access to all

8:54 the silicon for broadcom earlier than

8:56 a lot of its competitors they get access

8:59 to uh to a lot of these the software

9:01 they influence the road map and for you

9:04 know extreme they've

9:05 you know they've uh they've made their

9:07 bet you know with broadcom

9:10 and i think if you're an extreme

9:11 customer that was certainly good news

9:13 and that aren't going to be any

9:14 takeaways from the charlie interview

9:16 yeah no i think you covered most of it i

9:17 mean it was great to see that they've

9:19 got that type of a strategic

9:20 relationship that gives them that early

9:22 access so they're able to bring new

9:24 technologies we know things are changing

9:26 so fast these days

9:27 that having that inside track to the

9:29 latest technologies is just going to

9:30 enable them to

9:31 to roll out that functionality that much

9:34 faster to their to their customers as

9:35 well

9:36 yeah all right well uh lots going on

9:39 extreme that's good to see

9:40 uh this company has sort of you know

9:42 gone through some ups and downs and

9:43 integrated all those companies but they

9:44 seem to really have the engine revving

9:46 now so

9:47 uh expect to see more from them also

9:49 this week bob i start early in the week

9:51 aruba

9:52 network's an hpe company they always

9:53 make me throw that in

9:55 announces 630 630 series of access

9:58 points

9:59 and as far as i know these are the

10:01 they're the first vendor to offer

10:04 a wi-fi 6e

10:07 access point that's a business grade i

10:09 mean right

10:11 next to gaming and if you're not

10:13 familiar with wi-fi 6e

10:14 this is wi-fi that uses the six

10:16 gigahertz spectrum

10:18 instead of the traditional 2.45 and

10:21 what that lets you do a whole bunch of

10:23 things you have better bandwidth you get

10:24 better throughput because it's not

10:26 congested

10:27 um you should get better performance

10:30 it actually makes the 160 80 and 40

10:32 megahertz channels usable

10:34 which then aren't really a 2.4 5. i

10:37 think some of the key applications that

10:38 you'll see

10:39 will be i have more iot devices i think

10:41 it's great for video early on eventually

10:43 everything will be 60 probably uh but

10:45 given that we're going to see a rise in

10:47 the workplace

10:48 um in the number of iot devices for

10:50 people you know coming back to work even

10:52 like cleaning robots things like that um

10:55 i

10:55 you know i think um it's uh it was a

10:58 pretty good announcement from my the

10:59 aruba aps are tri-band so

11:02 customers can deploy it and still run

11:03 their 2.45 and when the

11:05 when the six gigahertz uh the 60 devices

11:08 come up they can connect those as well

11:09 so

11:10 i don't know i know you cover wi-fi

11:12 pretty closely what do you what do you

11:13 think of the ap

11:14 and then just the overall uptake what

11:16 would she expect for uh succeed

11:18 yeah i think this is obviously it's a

11:20 great to see these types of advances

11:21 right so the fcc just opened up the

11:23 spectrum i think it was last year about

11:25 a year ago

11:25 now and so to see that rapid turn around

11:28 and be able to bring this technology to

11:30 market

11:30 is certainly going to help i mean having

11:33 that those three bands having like you

11:35 said

11:35 that capability to be able to for highly

11:38 congested areas and things like that to

11:39 be able to bring that additional

11:41 capability to bear

11:42 is certainly going to help as

11:44 organizations come back

11:46 hpe aruba has always had a focus on iot

11:48 and having those you know so from the ap

11:50 perspective supporting additional iot

11:52 protocols is certainly going to help as

11:55 well

11:56 and like i said i think it opens up for

11:58 some new opportunities and new

11:59 possibilities for organizations that

12:01 maybe couldn't use wi-fi previously for

12:05 things like ar and vr

12:06 and you know we all we we know that it's

12:08 going to be the new workplace the hybrid

12:10 workplace is going to be video intensive

12:12 so we also know it's going to be very

12:14 much you know when we talk about hybrid

12:16 people aren't talking about assigned

12:18 desks they talk about hot swapping the

12:19 desks and so forth

12:21 so i think you're going to see a lot of

12:22 organizations you know moving to the 6e

12:25 technology as it rolls out it's

12:27 certainly going to be

12:28 at the very least it's going to be great

12:30 for future proofing

12:32 organizations right if you're thinking

12:33 about doing a deployment now now that

12:35 there's some enterprise grade solutions

12:37 available it gives you a lot of options

12:39 for how you build out

12:40 your environment yeah and um you know we

12:43 talked about ai ops in the last section

12:45 with extreme

12:45 there is some ai built in this as well i

12:47 know one of the unique features it has

12:49 is something they call

12:50 it i think it was altered fry band

12:52 filtering to minimize the

12:54 interference between the five and six

12:55 gigahertz band uh basically what it does

12:57 is it um

12:58 it dynamically it's looking at traffic

13:01 and it dynamically applies filters

13:03 uh allowing that traffic to stay

13:06 separate so

13:07 it optimizes performance even though

13:08 you've got all the radios in one device

13:10 you actually get a very clean spectrum

13:12 whether it's five or six

13:13 tigers yeah and ultimately that comes

13:16 down to is

13:17 it is providing a better experience for

13:18 the users right so that you keep coming

13:20 back to these same themes around

13:22 it's operationally efficient so people

13:23 don't have to spend time troubleshooting

13:25 those activities and ultimately the

13:27 people who are using it the employees

13:29 the customers potentially

13:30 are getting a much better experience

13:31 when they're when they're using it so

13:34 yeah i don't know of any commercially

13:35 available 6e devices i think

13:37 one of the uh the the asian

13:41 phone manufacturers has one now but

13:43 certainly over the next uh

13:44 couple of years we'll start to see more

13:46 of them so yeah and like you said i mean

13:48 this is something that's going to be

13:49 rolling out over time and as always

13:51 anytime there's a new technology there's

13:52 a lag between the devices having

13:55 the ability to access that technology

13:57 but like you said if you're if you're

13:58 thinking about rolling something out now

14:00 that ability to future proof just makes

14:02 all the sense in the world yeah and if

14:03 you don't do that what i always find is

14:05 customers wind up having to do the

14:06 deployment twice right they do it today

14:08 and then you know oh my god we have all

14:10 these devices we got to do it now so

14:13 okay and uh the other uh the last bit of

14:16 notable network news i thought was

14:17 juniper's announcement of abstract 4.0

14:20 so after it was an acquisition they made

14:22 uh

14:23 earlier this year late last year

14:25 something like that uh

14:26 and they were uh the the indus one of

14:29 the first intent based networking

14:30 vendors

14:31 uh they are um vendor agnostic which is

14:34 what i liked about astra

14:36 and this was their 4.0 launch and so uh

14:39 the 4.0

14:40 launch it introduced uh things like

14:43 sonic support uh better support for

14:45 vmware's nsx

14:47 t 3.0 uh they had a bunch of templates

14:49 as well

14:50 right so uh customers could deploy

14:52 things much faster

14:53 i i like ask abstra i think thought

14:56 there was a little bit of heavy lifting

14:57 done to get it up and running

14:58 so the templates should uh you know

15:01 certainly help with that

15:02 um and uh i think uh from a juniper

15:05 perspective they have kept the product

15:07 vendor agnostic which i think is good

15:10 every time you close things down you

15:11 limit the appeal of it so

15:13 obviously down the road i think there

15:14 will be some juniper juniper benefits

15:16 but

15:16 uh they they did maintain the vendor

15:18 agnes part of appstore and i think if

15:20 you're a customer

15:21 running a network and you're looking to

15:22 do you know some intent-based network in

15:24 your data center

15:25 astra is an excellent product so that's

15:27 you know

15:28 your thoughts on this yeah no i think a

15:30 lot of those a lot of the capabilities

15:31 that you highlighted are going to

15:33 certainly help a lot i mean from from

15:35 our research we know that

15:36 i think it's like over 75 of

15:38 organizations

15:40 still have less than 40 percent of their

15:42 workloads in the cloud

15:43 so the data center environment is still

15:45 extremely real it's still large it's

15:47 still very complex

15:48 and again having something like appstore

15:51 coming into that environment and

15:52 especially now with their ability to see

15:54 into

15:55 vmware's nsxt having that visibility

15:58 into the underlay and overlay

16:00 is going to drive a lot more efficiency

16:02 i think like you mentioned

16:03 they provided support for sonic so for

16:05 those hyperscale environments those

16:06 people that want to build that out

16:08 they now have the capability to work

16:10 with that so

16:11 i think a lot of what they're doing and

16:14 that intent based networking

16:16 and the closed loop automation and

16:18 things like that that they have as part

16:19 of that are all going to help drive

16:21 a lot of the operational efficiency in

16:23 the data center and a lot of those

16:25 things like you mentioned the templates

16:26 are certainly going to help with that

16:28 especially in large scale environments

16:29 where they need to roll out across

16:31 entire fabric and i think the other you

16:33 know like you said they are keeping it

16:35 agnostic so they're

16:36 they're covering cisco they cover arista

16:38 cumulus and i think

16:40 they added some of the the juniper

16:41 switches with this as well right the qfx

16:43 and

16:44 maybe the srx or something like that

16:46 yeah and i i will say that this is

16:49 the continued evolution of juniper

16:52 as a much stronger enterprise company

16:54 you know prior to

16:55 rami rahim come in as their ceo i

16:58 already questioned whether juniper even

16:59 wanted to be in the enterprise space at

17:01 all it's like

17:02 they they had a bunch of i guess

17:04 interesting products but they never

17:05 really had an enterprise strategy

17:07 now with uh you know with the ac this

17:09 all started with the acquisition of mist

17:11 you know and then 128t and now appstra

17:14 they seem to really have the

17:15 enterprise engine going and uh you know

17:18 they they've recently promoted some

17:19 missed announcements now abstract

17:21 and uh this seems to be a company that's

17:23 actually got a very

17:24 you know sound uh go forward strategy in

17:26 place

17:27 yeah they've made some real strategic

17:30 acquisitions

17:31 i think is the best way to describe it

17:33 to bolster their enterprise space and

17:35 you know we we talk amongst ourselves

17:37 about the mystification

17:38 of juniper right as they roll that out

17:40 across their entire product line and

17:42 apps are bolstering the data center

17:44 space right and

17:46 128 technology is helping out on the lan

17:48 side they've got security so

17:50 they're playing into the you know

17:51 they've got options for sassy

17:53 they've got an end-to-end capability

17:55 they're going to be cloud-based in their

17:56 management so

17:58 i think a lot of what they're doing is

18:00 really positioning themselves to have

18:02 significant growth in the enterprise and

18:04 i think that's it's not only positioning

18:05 them but if you look at their numbers

18:07 it's it's bearing fruit that over the

18:09 last year they've been making

18:10 significant strides in the enterprise

18:12 yeah and the point you made about the

18:13 acquisitions uh being good acquisitions

18:15 actually is a notable one because i

18:17 think they went from

18:18 a long period of time where they had

18:20 just wasted acquisition after wasted

18:22 acquisition so

18:23 uh they seem to figure that out now so

18:25 you know good for them

18:26 i think strength in the enterprise

18:27 networking space as we talked about the

18:29 beginning is important because of

18:30 all the advancements and all the the

18:33 different ways the enterprise the

18:34 network is touching us today

18:36 yeah absolutely and so lastly i just

18:38 want to touch on this we don't spend a

18:40 lot of time on it because i think we've

18:41 been

18:41 going a little while here z scanner

18:43 announced their earnings this week and

18:45 i um you know while this is a security

18:47 topic they are becoming more of a

18:49 network company right and so if you're

18:50 not familiar with z-scaler

18:52 if you're watching this they're a

18:53 cloud-based security company that's

18:55 really

18:56 pivoted to sassy and what's interesting

18:58 about sassy is it's finally brought

19:00 we've been talking about bringing

19:01 security and networking together for a

19:02 long time

19:03 nobody just nobody did it right and so

19:05 now with sd-wan it's sassy that's

19:07 happening but their billings grew

19:09 seventy-one percent year-over-year the

19:11 street was expecting 42 percent so

19:14 you know they kind of knocked the cover

19:16 off of that the revenue improved 60

19:18 year-over-year the street was expecting

19:19 48 um they had a lot of large deals

19:23 and the large deals is important too

19:24 because a lot of the early adoption of

19:26 z-scaler was

19:27 down market right and so in addition to

19:31 they're added to their portfolio as well

19:33 as

19:35 in addition to their internet access

19:37 product with zpa private access they

19:38 announced

19:39 that they've come out with a client

19:41 cloud connector cloud protection service

19:43 and stuff so

19:44 uh this is a company that when i look at

19:47 it

19:48 you know they have a market cap of 26

19:49 billion dollars on a revenue of only 656

19:52 million

19:53 you can look at that stock as overpriced

19:54 but clearly

19:56 the trend in networking and security is

19:58 to the cloud

20:00 right and um and they are maybe

20:03 on the security side anyways the poster

20:05 child for that and this concept of

20:07 hybrid workplace

20:08 um you really can't use old-school

20:11 security

20:12 you know big heavy appliances in a bunch

20:14 of places and so this is

20:15 this i think z scanner sort of

20:17 epitomizes the shift that's going on in

20:19 the industry now

20:21 where you know we need more agility we

20:23 which drives us to more cloud because we

20:25 need to deploy services everywhere and

20:26 so

20:27 if you think of the concept that we

20:28 started with with the infinite

20:29 enterprise

20:30 the z-scaler model you know certainly

20:32 helps secure that as well so i don't

20:34 know if you have any

20:35 uh thoughts on what we're seeing here so

20:37 yeah no absolutely like we talked about

20:39 the more distributed things become

20:42 the more you need to have solutions that

20:44 will help you secure that environment

20:45 and connect the environment we've been

20:46 talking a lot about on the networking

20:48 side but

20:49 everything that's connected has to be

20:50 secured and so

20:52 i think it was interesting to see when

20:54 the pandemic first hit a lot of

20:56 organizations

20:57 went to their their old technologies

21:00 right hey

21:00 we gotta spin up the vpn concentrators

21:02 get some more firewalls spun up in the

21:04 data center

21:04 and they basically recreated to ensure

21:06 security they recreated

21:08 a model they were trying to get rid of

21:10 with sd-wan and that all the remote

21:12 users were now funneling through the

21:13 data center to get to any cloud apps and

21:15 things of that

21:16 nature so you know the timing has been

21:18 really good for zscaler

21:20 in that with everyone re remote and

21:22 working from home

21:23 and needing to be secure securely

21:25 accessing applications

21:27 it provides a great opportunity for them

21:29 to be that point

21:30 in between i know a lot of the sd-wan

21:32 companies already had

21:33 basically point-and-click connectivity

21:35 to z scalar

21:36 already and i think that's just

21:38 accelerated throughout this last year

21:40 and

21:41 and certainly the the sassy wave that's

21:44 hitting us right i mean it might be

21:45 you might say it's at this point maybe

21:47 sassy washing right everyone is is

21:49 becoming a sassy vendor

21:51 but that convergence of network

21:52 insecurity just makes a lot of sense

21:55 and so you know having that ability to

21:58 provide secure access to your

21:59 applications provide some protection

22:01 right so you can't

22:02 you know have to worry about ransomware

22:03 and things like that when you're going

22:04 through z-scaler

22:05 i think all those things are making a

22:06 lot of sense and as organizations shift

22:08 from

22:09 their temporary solutions i.e like vpns

22:12 and things like that

22:13 and shift and look for a long-term

22:14 solution that the z-scalers

22:16 is really well positioned to accommodate

22:18 those

22:19 well anyways bob this is uh this has

22:21 been a bit of a long one we had a lot of

22:22 stuff going on so

22:24 uh on behalf of bob lillibridge i'm c.s

22:26 caraval i want to thank you bob for

22:27 joining me hopefully i have you again

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